tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post7553774915760874689..comments2024-03-28T16:36:44.544-07:00Comments on Yowp: Flintstone CodaYowphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09264605351878574044noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-15815588239665754472016-01-14T17:41:17.163-08:002016-01-14T17:41:17.163-08:00In regerds to 6th color panel of Flintstones episo...In regerds to 6th color panel of Flintstones episode in question: Ed Aardal drew those scenes, not Jerry Hathcock.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03748971433591972522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-3861652002711763462010-10-06T10:24:29.072-07:002010-10-06T10:24:29.072-07:00Thanks for the link(!), and for humoring moi.Thanks for the link(!), and for humoring moi.Kirk Nachmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03166276704512053376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-70973332192687610072010-10-06T08:09:01.789-07:002010-10-06T08:09:01.789-07:00Fleischer did a brief series transposing the Stone...Fleischer did a brief series transposing the Stone Age with modern living (1940, that is). There's a blurb <a href="http://98.172.93.75/stoneage.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a> about it.<br />I never said you were making a comparison between Daws and Garroway. I merely remarked on one of the few things about that cartoon that stuck in my mind.Yowphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09264605351878574044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-50900354100261222212010-10-06T08:07:59.632-07:002010-10-06T08:07:59.632-07:00Howard, the Jetsons credits don't look like Lu...Howard, the Jetsons credits don't look like Lundy to me, but I could be wrong.David Simmonsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-54134488015910092342010-10-06T07:52:06.087-07:002010-10-06T07:52:06.087-07:00It's pretty clear I was speaking from a concep...It's pretty clear I was speaking from a conceptual point of view, that is, a concept, dig? and to a degree an aesthetic correlation, Prof. Yowp. You'll have to refresh me on the Fiescher precursors, - alas my limited knowlege! I don't know that I was making a comparison between Daws Butler and Garroway, just highliting an element in the McKimson I enjoyed. yeeesh!Kirk Nachmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03166276704512053376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-25600182540854816222010-10-06T07:14:44.456-07:002010-10-06T07:14:44.456-07:00Howard, there's nothing "supposed" a...Howard, there's nothing "supposed" about the season three premiere. A half dozen TV listings I've read says it was "Dino Goes Hollyrock" and lists a snippet of the plot.<br />What's interesting is the <i>Los Angeles Times</i> says the show will be in colour on September 28th, which was the third cartoon into the season.Yowphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09264605351878574044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-68111358849466962162010-10-06T07:01:19.951-07:002010-10-06T07:01:19.951-07:00David: That is definitely Lundy who animated the Y...David: That is definitely Lundy who animated the YOGI BEAR SHOW opening and closing, and the TOP CAT closing. It looks like Lundy also animated the JETSONS opening and closing as well.<br /><br />Of course, it was Ken Muse who animated the openings for TOP CAT and the opening and closing for FLINTSTONES Seasons 1-2. Muse also did the 1964(?) remake of the HUCKLEBERRY HOUND SHOW opening that inserted Huck in the place of Cornelius Rooster. Even as a prescholar, I felt Huck in this sequence looked much 'newer' (drawn with evry fine lines) than he did in the cartoons themselves.Howard Feinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-72472979075040512082010-10-05T23:10:39.842-07:002010-10-05T23:10:39.842-07:00Howard, now you know why I don't like to guess...Howard, now you know why I don't like to guess about animators. I would have picked Nicholas for that scene because of the small eyes and the back-and-forth tongue, similar to how Nicholas drew Yogi in <i>Hoodwinked Bear</i> when Red describes the basket of goodies.Yowphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09264605351878574044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-15547681153434966732010-10-05T10:07:31.476-07:002010-10-05T10:07:31.476-07:00Mark, thanks for the info.
Howard, thank you, too...Mark, thanks for the info.<br /><br />Howard, thank you, too. I knew there was an uncredited animator in that scene, I just couldn't identify him.<br /><br />Dino about to chomp down on Fred looks like Nicholas to me, I'll have to go back and look.<br /><br />And Fred Wolf's style is somewhat similar to Dick Lundy's. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like Lundy animation to me in the Yogi Bear credits, and the closing Top Cat credits.David Simmonsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-44096355212213541692010-10-05T10:04:48.652-07:002010-10-05T10:04:48.652-07:00If I remember, Goepper animates Dino watching SASS...If I remember, Goepper animates Dino watching SASSIE and reacting to the dialogue ("You ARE brave, aren't you Sassie? Then go for help!"); his enthusastic response to the dinosaur food commercial; grabbing the leash and Fred off Barney's couch to run to the store. ("What a punch- it knocked Fred right out of the house!") Then Bill Keil takes over for the supermarket scene.<br /><br />This, the supposed Season 3 premiere(despite it being preceded by the Season 1/2 "Rise and Shine" credits), was the first FLINTSTONES episode with animation by Goepper and Harry Holt. Both had worked on the previous season's TOP CAT, and Holt on a couple of 1961 shorts. Holt would be used a lot in Seasons 3 and 4, and then seemed to disappear from H-B credits until 1985's PAW-PAWS.Howard Feinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-77650109770050337392010-10-05T09:57:13.133-07:002010-10-05T09:57:13.133-07:00Thanks for the link. Mr. Goepper doesn't seem ...Thanks for the link. Mr. Goepper doesn't seem to be listed on IMdB, or only with his H-B credits- not that I've looked in awhile. It's interesting that the credits of any 1950s Disney short strongly resembles those of a FLINTSTONES, JETSONS or JONNY QUEST episode. George Nicholas, Jerry Hathcock, Ed Aardel, Hugh Frasier, Harvey Toombs, etc. So the dissolution of the Disney animation department in the early 60s became H-B's gain.Howard Feinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-70782584617972163122010-10-05T08:03:38.223-07:002010-10-05T08:03:38.223-07:00Kirk, I really never thought about those two becau...Kirk, I really never thought about those two because I thought back further to the Fleischer shorts.<br />I suppose it was because of the suburban motif that HB avoided the cliche of Stone Age men dragging women by the hair; seems to me the Avery short had a bunch of jokes based on that. I can't remember much about the McKimson one, other than it was dull and I couldn't hear any relationship between Daws' voice and Garroway's.Yowphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09264605351878574044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-86243229663660523612010-10-05T07:24:50.030-07:002010-10-05T07:24:50.030-07:00Yes, George Goepper came from Disney with the rest...Yes, George Goepper came from Disney with the rest of them. He musn't have reached his footage quota very often, though, because most of his work is uncredited their.<br /><br />Judging from Loopy De Loop cartoons, I've always known his work at Hanna Barbera to be really sloppy.Zartok-35https://www.blogger.com/profile/00449976580118722879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-67563792309444147402010-10-05T06:59:44.454-07:002010-10-05T06:59:44.454-07:00Howard, have you seen this on Goepper?
Where does...Howard, have you seen <a href="http://toonsatwar.blogspot.com/2006/12/disney-artist-george-goepper.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> on Goepper?<br /><br />Where does his animation stop in the Dino scene?Yowphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09264605351878574044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-87960538294055397462010-10-05T06:04:56.474-07:002010-10-05T06:04:56.474-07:00David: very nice rundown of the episode animators....David: very nice rundown of the episode animators. George Goepper animated the still of Dino about to bite Fred for changing the channel, as well as the whole scene of the boys watching the fight with the champ who bawls loudly when he's "hurt". Goepper was a frequent presence in Season 3 and 4, all three MAGILLA GORILLA segments and years later on both seasons of SCOOBY-DOO, WHERE ARE YOU. <br /><br />Goepper seems to draw his characters with very sad eyes set close together, and rather bland facial expressions. I've never seen him credited at any other studio.Howard Feinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-52281365995592087252010-10-05T05:59:30.663-07:002010-10-05T05:59:30.663-07:00Interesting. Fred Wolf only received credit on thr...Interesting. Fred Wolf only received credit on three FLINTSTONE episodes: Season 3's "Carry On Nurse Fred:, Season 4's "Glue For Two" and Season 5's "Monster Fred". Wolf's style seems like a combination of Hicks Lokey and Don Williams, and nothing like that of the Season 3-6 title sequences. I always thought Dick Lundy did those, because the characters look very polished and conventional- a Lundy tendency.Howard Feinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-19440953488294484072010-10-04T21:21:23.855-07:002010-10-04T21:21:23.855-07:00Hi David,
Fred Wolf of Murakami-Wolf-Swenson f...Hi David,<br /> Fred Wolf of Murakami-Wolf-Swenson films, animated the opening and closing of the "Drive-in Movie" Flintstones titles. He told me that himself.<br />Mark KauslerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-5560560519373958892010-10-04T09:27:42.844-07:002010-10-04T09:27:42.844-07:00One last question: does anyone know who animated t...One last question: does anyone know who animated the opening and closing credits to 'The Flintstones'? (not the Ken Muse credits). I've been wondering this for 40 years. Thanks.David Simmonsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-27020635385207224422010-10-04T08:58:23.864-07:002010-10-04T08:58:23.864-07:00As far as the early H-B cartoons, I always grouped...As far as the early H-B cartoons, I always grouped Seasons 1-2 of The Flintstones with the first 2 1/2 seasons of Huck's show and the first two years of Quick Draw, even if the chronologies didn't match up perfectly. All three have a certain feeling of experimentation/nobody's-ever-done-this-before-so-we-don't-know-where-we're-going attitude combined with the holdover idea from the Hollywood theatricals that you've also got to entertain the adults in the audience.<br /><br />Once you get into Season 3, it's kind of like when Yogi got his own show and with the handful or remaining cartoons for the other two series -- there's a growing sense of polish and formula, where they've had a couple of years to figure out what works best with the audience and are now prepared to smooth out all the rough edges on the characters and beat them into the ground. That doesn't mean there wasn't some decent work done by Hanna-Barbera in the 1962-65 period, just that you start to see the seeds of repetitious destruction to come, as the stories get blanded out and dumbed down to better fit what the network suits thought kid-oriented family entertainment should be in that era.J Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15175515543694122729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-52005268760633393832010-10-04T08:13:14.205-07:002010-10-04T08:13:14.205-07:00Really wonderful site, as is oft said, here, Prof....Really wonderful site, as is oft said, here, Prof. Yowp. Has anyone pointed out the forerunners of the Flintstones concept can be found in Tex Avery's The 1st Bad Man and Bob McKimson's Wild, Wild World, (with the great be-bop cool of the Dave Garroway impersonation)-? i.e. Modern civilization rendered in caveman trappings, &c. The textures in the background paintings of Wild, Wild World even anticipate the style of the Flinstones rock surfaces,as well as the employment of animals and rudimentary objects for modern, everyday technology, etc. I suppose the Flintstones introduced the element of the follies-of-marriage-style sitcom popular in the period to the scheme; - I Love Lucy and the Honeymooners, of cuss.Kirk Nachmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03166276704512053376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-83608629479115968052010-10-04T03:57:02.664-07:002010-10-04T03:57:02.664-07:00I'm sure there were a lot of people who were f...I'm sure there were a lot of people who were frustrated when the first two years of "The Flintstones" were put into syndication using the credits from one particular 1962 episode, thus depriving the actors involved in those episodes proper credit, and viewers from knowing who these performers were. Example: I wasn't aware recently that announcer Bern Bennett did a "Flintstones". The episode in question was "Fred Flintstone: Before and After". Concurrently with his 1950's game show announcer duties in New York, he voiced a handful of Terrytoons for Gene Deitch - a nobrainer since Bern worked for Terrytoons' owner CBS doing "To Tell the Truth" and "Beat the Clock". He moved to LA in 1960. "The Flintstones" episode would be his only known West Coast cartoon voice work. It was Bern's voice that originally intoned, "The Young.... and the Restless" and worked other announce jobs for the network, including a rare Johnny Olson absence on "Match Game '75".Dave Mackeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13454782108761662940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5403931334822730200.post-18568825948119965832010-10-03T23:42:41.675-07:002010-10-03T23:42:41.675-07:00Ah...Willard, as mentined in references WAS Willar...Ah...Willard, as mentined in references WAS Willard Waterman, Harold Peary's great Gildersleeve radio successor and the exclusive portrayer of him on TV. Y'know, Frank Nelson reminds me of him a bit, as does Harvey Korman as Gazoo. <br /><br />Someone on Jump the Shark said the show jumped third season and I kind of agree, and they said with Sassie, but c'mon, how can o0ne hate that one.."with three broken legs"..yet another Phil Silvers: "We'll keep Sassie running for-EVER!"<br /><br /><a href="http://sjcarrasblog.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Pokey, alias Steve C</a><br /><a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001249396142" rel="nofollow">Also on the Social Network :)</a>Pokeyhttp://sjcarrasblog.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com